Tolkien Discussion Group
April 7, 2010
Topic: Fëanor's Oath - Part 2
Present:
Dominique Darkwatch
Cinnamon Raymaker
Lihan Taifun
AelKennyr Rhiano
Varanwe Firehawk
Summary:
The Noldor had been leaving Middle Earth since the end of the First Age. Their numbers were also depleted by various wars with Sauron in the Second Age. By the end of the Third Age, there were not many Noldor in Middle Earth. Probably by that time there was enough intermarriage that very few elves born in Middle Earth thought of themselves as "Noldor". Possibly few elves thought of themselves as "Sindar", either.
At the end of the First Age, only two of the original Oathtakers remain - Maedhros and Maglor -- who each take one of the Silmarils recovered from Morgoth's crown. Maedhros throws his, and himself, into a chasm in the earth. Maglor throws his into the Sea, and is last seen singing laments by the seashore. Does that mean Maglor survived? Did he die of grief shortly after? It would make sense if all the Oathtakers were dead when the Valar lifted the Ban on the Noldor, at the end of the First Age.
Cinnamon plays Elwing. She is half elven - Sindar, and inherits her grandmother Luthien's Silmaril. She and her half-elven husband Eärendil chose their elven heritage. At the end of the First Age, she is living on the shores of the Undying Lands, and presumably is still living there.
Elwing seems to have retained the ability to change into a sea bird. Shape-changing elves are incredibly rare in Tolkien's universe. Her ability might be related to her being a descendant of Melian, but it is much more likely it was a special gift from Ulmo, who rescued her from drowning.
Varanwë is a descendant of Gil-galad. He spent time in Lothlorien, in Galadriel's service. After many adventures, he ended up in Sylvhara, in Queen Comet's service.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . did anyone have any starting comments?
Cinnamon Raymaker: . I am just here to find out how this may affect my character
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . a surprisingly common motive
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Tell us about your character :)
Dominique Darkwatch: Yes...do tell
Cinnamon Raymaker: . Well as Elwing, I am mentioned in the notecard you gave us
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . yes, a very important role, too
Cinnamon Raymaker: . indeed. I was wondering how it might be linked in with the later rp. I haven't had a chance to do a lot
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . so you live in the Blessed Lands, after the First Age?
Cinnamon Raymaker: . hmm, I am still coming to terms with what happens in the continent and how it links with the tales. Its hard to separate the two. I'm very new to the rp side of things
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . Aren't we all
Cinnamon Raymaker: . and also have to keep looking back to the story. Any help gratefully accepted
Dominique Darkwatch nods: I imagine it is difficult to keep it all straight
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Elwin is half elven, correct?
Cinnamon Raymaker: . indeed. She is half elven
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . half Sindar?
Cinnamon Raymaker: . correct
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . granddaughter of Luthien and Beren
Cinnamon Raymaker: . It is the connection to the saving of a silmaril that concerns us here. That's why I wanted to come along.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . You had Luthien's Silmaril
Cinnamon Raymaker: . carried it away to safety
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . yes indeed
Cinnamon Raymaker: . However, my concern is with the oath. How does that affect any future rp, beyond where Elwing and Earendil sailed off? Cinnamon Raymaker smiles
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . I noticed that nothing was said about the Oath, or the Doom,affecting the descendants of the original people, but everyone in the story acts as though it does
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . lotr seems to underscore that.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . which part are you thinking of?
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . The whole idea that it was long after Eonwë bade them to return, but they stayed until the end of Sauron.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . a few did
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . yes
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . Quite a few had already left. Quite a few left right away, at the end of the First Age.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . Right, which is one reason why the host of elves that shows up at helm's deep in the film seem so pathetically small. Granted, I'll have to reread that part of lotr to see whether it is accurate.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . besides the fact that they are an invention of Peter Jackson
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . exactly.
Dominique Darkwatch: It was actually not in the book
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . I was about o say....
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . which is why i should reread it for the sake of accuracy.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . I was about to say.....
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . in the book NO elves show up, nor does anyone expect them to. Strictly a human battle
Dominique Darkwatch: Peter Jackson eludes to that in his comentary, too, and wanted to up the story a bit
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . ah, I see.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . I think we need to divorce the movies from the works of Tolkien at present
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . It had been a while between the time I read the book and saw the movie. yes
Dominique Darkwatch: I like that the movies got more people interested in Tolkien
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . Reading the Silmarillion, you would get the idea that maybe Galadriel was the only Noldo left in Middle Earth by the end of the Third Age. That might be an exaggeration, but there certainly were not many.
Varanwe Firehawk nods. But even she was half-teleri.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . from the line of Olwe.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . she was part Noldor, and in most versions of the story she went with that group
Dominique Darkwatch: It does seem like there are amazingly few
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . I am not sure that is what Tolkien intended, but she is the only one of such note. But I do not think that elves did not simply disappear overnight.
Dominique Darkwatch: But Tolkien had the elves on a very steep decline in Middle Earth
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . yes.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . and they had been gradually taking ship since the end of the First Age, and getting killed in various wars with Sauron
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . no, I don't thinkI can agree entirely with that statement. The eldar clans were withdrawing from Middle Earth. But that does not mean the "wild elves" were.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . good point
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . The Teleri were, in all truth, in the Undying lands. As were the Vanyar.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . and the descendants of the Teleri in Middle Earth weren't even "wild"
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . yes, almost entirely, the teleri, that is.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . no, there were not
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . The vanyar never left arda.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . yes
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . so the population of Noldor in Middle Earth was declining, but the Sindar were not
Cinnamon Raymaker: . indeed
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . I think, what could be logically conjectured is that by the beginning of the 4th Age, very few elves would consider themselves Noldor or Sindar.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . I have always gotten the impression that the Noldor were nearly entirely wiped out, certainly the pure Noldor.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . as blood lines probably mingled over time.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . Yes, I'd agree with that.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . and yes...as there were the wages of war to be reckoned with.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . yes, several major wars in the Second Age
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . There may have been a few pure Sindars. But even the Sindars mingled with Noldor, am I right in that, Lihan?
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . yes, they did
Dominique Darkwatch: Feanor's house seemed to be more apart, though
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . well, the weight of the doom for one thing
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . They were the royal line. You would expect them to keep closer track of their bloodlines
Dominique Darkwatch: And I understand not all the sons even got married or had children
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . At the end of the first age, just two of the original oathtakers were alive. the eldest sons
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . and they don't survive much longer
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Maedhros threw himself and his silmaril into the bowels of the earth along with himself. Maglor cast his into the sea.
Dominique Darkwatch: right!
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . and then what happened to Maglor?
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . No one knows.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . So maybe he survived after all
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Tolkien left it that he still wanders the shores of the World, singing laments for his despair and regret.
Dominique Darkwatch: But I thought that was one reason the Valar lifted the curse...was because all of Feanor's sons were gone
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . that would make more sense
Dominique Darkwatch: Yes..that's what the card says....all of the sons were dead by the end of the first age
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . yeah, but I wrote that
Dominique Darkwatch: oh
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . We have to remember, we are talking about a body of literature...not history. Writers do change things over time.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . and not everything can truly be accounted for.
Dominique Darkwatch smiles: But I do think that was a part of the lifting of the curse
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . So, Originally, maybe Tolkien intended for all of the oathtakers to die
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . maybe Maglor did die, but offstage
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Perhaps he forsaw a story about the passing of Maglor, or yes, what Lihan said.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . Nobody really knows the mind of tolkien entirely, what he had tintended in its entiretyl not even his son, who himself suggests in various places that he wonders if his father was entirely certain of what he intended.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . It's more dramatic to end his part of the story with him singing songs of regret
Dominique Darkwatch: And he could have dies of grief, too, and faded away
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . he could have
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . As for Elwing....do I understand what was implied about her in the stories... She choose to be come elven.
Cinnamon Raymaker: . She did due to her heritage
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . So she could still be alive in the Undying lands?
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . and Earendil chose to become elven, to stay with her. I thought it did say she was alive in the Undying Lands. She didn't really like Earendil's sky-ship, so she waits for him to visit her sometimes
Cinnamon Raymaker: . or flies out to meet him. Thats where the sea bird comes in
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . yes :) but she doesn't do the whole sailing-the-sky with him
Cinnamon Raymaker: . lives by the shores of the Sundering Seas in a white tower
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . so to answer, Cinnamon's question, she has a lot of room to decide what and who Elwing becomes in all those passing of years.
Cinnamon Raymaker: . haven't checked a map to find out about that as yet
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . There is plenty of seashore, take your pick
Cinnamon Raymaker chuckles
Dominique Darkwatch: Ah yes...Elwing gets to fly!
Cinnamon Raymaker: . I believe a gift from Ulmo, When elwing dove into the sea to save the silmaril from being captured
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Was it a one time gift?
Cinnamon Raymaker: . hm not sure Ael
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . because if it were not... then the large swan who conveyed Olwe to Manwe' seat could have been Elwing.
Dominique Darkwatch: haha
Cinnamon Raymaker: . perhaps but I believe it was a sea bird not a swan ;P
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . For Teleri, swans are seabirds. They conveyed us safely to Alqualonde, after all
Cinnamon Raymaker: . ah
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . but if you fly out to meet Earendil other times. Then it wasn't a one-time gift
Cinnamon Raymaker: . indeed
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . And if it were not a one time ....welll. my mind sees rp possibilities.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . a shape-changing elf -- that is rare
Cinnamon Raymaker: . may it have also had something to do with the connection through bloodlines perhaps?
Dominique Darkwatch: Yes, I was thinking the same; A flying shape-shifting elf
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . wow....quite a story.
Cinnamon Raymaker: . Sindar Royal House?
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . I cannot see it as other than a gift of the Valar.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . absolutely.
Cinnamon Raymaker: . Melian
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . I can't imagine an elf having such an ability otherwise.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . But you do fly out to meet Earendil , more than once, don't you?
Cinnamon Raymaker: . In the story it says often, if i recall
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . That's how I imagined it
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . so I am confused.
Dominique Darkwatch: Yes...Elwing does fly on what seems to be a fairly regular basis
Cinnamon Raymaker chuckles
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Did Ulmo give her the gift? or did she always have it?
Cinnamon Raymaker: . a point of contention ;P we will never know
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . it is an important distinction to your character, though.
Varanwe Firehawk wonder if that's why tolkien chose to call her elwing.
Cinnamon Raymaker: . hehehe However Elwing means Starspray. Comes from the reflection of the stars in the fountain at my birth home
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . ah.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . A gift from the Valar means that your talent is probably confined to you.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . A "birthright" because of Melian means that others of your line could inherit that trait.
Dominique Darkwatch nods: yes, it seems to be more of a gift
Cinnamon Raymaker: . I have not read a lot about the characters in my background
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . Did you ever fly before Ulmo rescued you?
Cinnamon Raymaker: . not that I recall, no
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . I cannot find a reference to it before that.
Dominique Darkwatch: And none of her earlier line did either
Cinnamon Raymaker: . not sure if my "sons" had special traits either, need to do more research
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . no evidence that they did
Dominique Darkwatch: It would have come in handy for Luthien
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . she had some "magic", but nothing like that
Dominique Darkwatch: Hers seemed more aong the lines of enchantment
AelKennyr Rhiano nods
Cinnamon Raymaker nods
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . and she needed a magic bat-skin to change shape, so it wasn't HER, it was the magic bat skin doing the shape changing
Dominique Darkwatch: I would expect Elwing to have some of the magical enchantment abilities
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . but abilities do not always translate like that.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . and thus may be the other reason Ulmo bestowed his gift upon her.
Dominique Darkwatch: No...but Elwing seemed to have some of Luthien's courage
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . yes, I agree.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . quite a remarkable woman
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . very remarkable. But I think magical abiltiies would vary from person to person.
Dominique Darkwatch: I think one could argue a pretty strong link between the two. So for characer purposes, Cinnamon could draw from Luthien's character a bit
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . I think there would be a genetic component, yes, but I think you would have to be careful not to assume each sibling would inherit the same level of magical abiltiies.
Cinnamon Raymaker: . and honestly, I didn't even think magic would come into it so much
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . We have no evidence Elrond inherited any magical abilities. Elros might have lost his when he chose to become human, if he had any
Cinnamon Raymaker: . perhaps the magic of leadership and enchanting people to follow - if one considers these magical traits - looking forward to Aragorn
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . I agree with you Cinnamon. I think there is sheer personality to consider
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . personality, yes. Beren and Luthien and Elwing and Earendil all had plenty of personality
Dominique Darkwatch: So I do think they were extraordinarily gifted. Which, in my opinion, translates into some degree of magic in the Tolkien Universe. Dominique Darkwatch smiles: But that's just me
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . It is always a little unclear what counts as "magic"
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . true. To many "primitive" peoples, the inventions of modern society are considered magical.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . Galdriel insists her mirror is not magic, implying that she thinks of it as technology
Dominique Darkwatch: Umm....like a forked stick is technology when looking for water?
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . umm, I don't know, Galadriel didn't explain her comment
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . well, like a fork is technology when you are hungry. You don't even think of it as such because it is part of your daily life
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . are we far enough off topic yet?
Dominique Darkwatch: hehe...I was thinking the same thing
Cinnamon Raymaker: . well it has been enlightening hearing your thoughts
Dominique Darkwatch: I hope it has helped you discover more of Elwing
Cinnamon Raymaker: . haven't had the cha
nce to discuss character since I made out my card
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . I hope we see more of Elwing around
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . me, too!
Cinnamon Raymaker: . Well she is living in Vinyamar at the moment. Cinnamon Raymaker giggles
Cinnamon Raymaker: . by herself. If the sim is moved the treehouse could be her tower on the shore. except its a cliff ;P
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . picky picky
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . well, in rp, part of the magic is that we are not restricted by the geography of the continent.
Cinnamon Raymaker: . it will be interesting thinking of new developemtns though - thanks to the ideas we have tossed around
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Varanwe has been quiet, and I know he has Noldor heritage, yes?
Varanwe Firehawk grins
Dominique Darkwatch nods: Yes, another RP character who has a stake here!;-)
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . Varanwë, though technically an invented character whose name was adapted from Voronwë, elf of Gondolin, is a great-great-grandson of Gil-galad. He is also half-Sindar. The other half is noldor/vanyar, since he descends through Fingolfin's house. In his case, the vanyarin trait came up dominant. Do you want me to tell the bulk of his tale, Ael?
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . or how it relates to the Doom of the Noldor?
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . I'll try to nutshell it as best i can.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . please, I don't think everyone knows.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . go ahead
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . hmmmm.....well.....the tale is a bit convoluted, and for reasons of making his story actually work, certain material parts of the underlying background have been completely fabricated. For example..... to begin with, he was born toward the end of the second age. So, a fairly elder elf, though you'd never know it by looking at him.
At that young age, he saw his father dressing for war, since he went into battle alongside his great-grandfather. Both were slain, and as such, Varanwë and his mother were sent to Lothlorien. So, he grows up in the presence of lady Galadriel. Of course, he enters into her service, and gains some favor, enough to be permitted to ask for the hand of one of her cousins. By that time he was also granted control of a smaller territory, and was dubbed baron of that land.
I originally created this character 2 years ago when I began rp in Imrath Tir, but with my primary av. I am Veovis' alt. Veovis nightfire. When i decided I wanted to start rp-ing in Sylvhara, I noticed they often go by av names, so I wanted the character to have a valid elf name. anyway....
Galadriel sends Varanwë to Imrath as a test of his fidelity to her cousin.
AelKennyr Rhiano smiles at his friend
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . No small matter marrying into Galadriel's house. While he is in Imrath, a host of orcs attacks Lothlorien. Again, yes, a complete fabrication, but the story needed some way to make his situation seem plausible as to why he was "left behind," so to speak. So, the folk of Lothlorien manage to escape the orcs and make for Imladris, where they join Elrond's folk and leave for the Grey Havens. off to Valinor.
Meanwhile, Varanwë was released of his obligation to Galadriel's cousin, since it is more or less no longer possible for him to live up to what was planned. he meets a maiden in Imrath from Mirkwood, as it turns out. They decide they want to try to restore Lothlorien, as he had some seeds of the mallorns available. but the orcs had poisoned the ground, and without Galadriel's influence, nothing was going to grow there.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . wait,I'm confused ....
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . He gets separated from this maiden because she decides she wants to go back to Imrath to help stop a drow uprising (more fabrications as far as Tolkien goes, but this was actually rp'd long ago).
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . I expect you would be.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . you shipped out Galadriel at the end of the SecondAge?
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . no... Varanwë is only a child by the end of the second age. Varanwe Firehawk whispers: this all happened post-sauron.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . so when is this part of the story happening?
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . beginning of the 4th. or dead-end of the 3rd.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . ok, go on
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . must be early 4th Age, if Galadriel is gone
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . right. I told you it gets convolouted. It's actually a good story.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . I'm lost now And is Varanwe a young elf?
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . by elven standaards, i suppose. not by human standards.
Dominique Darkwatch smiles: He is one age old when Galadriel leaves
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . So he loses this maiden, Lin, because she is rather stubborn and has it in her head to go help Imrath. He wanders aimlessly through countless lands, running into all manner of nasties, who he slays with relish., particularly orcs. All of which makes him rather bitter and angry, since he lost so much to them.
He finally finds his way to Sylvhara.The queen welcomes him warmly, as do most others. Little do they know at that point of his lineage. He becomes a failry adept warrior for Queen Comet, and as Galadriel can speak within to him even from Valinor, she advises him on many things. She tells him to give his loyalty to her and follow her commands as if they were her own.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . She can speak to him?
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . telepathically. She speaks to him in dreams.
Cinnamon Raymaker: . hmm Is that where her mirror might be useful?
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . quite possibly so. So to bring this up to the "present" moment.......
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . the Noldor did study telepathy,so this is possible
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . ok
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . He has been knighted by Queen Comet for his service to the throne of Sylvhara.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . but something does not quite "Gel" with the character of Galadriel. if I may...
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . go ahead.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . "[20:36] Varanwe Firehawk: . . . she tells him to give his loyalty to her and follow her commands as if they were her own."
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . that was in regards to queen comet.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . ok, but that sounds like Galadriel is "ordering you"
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . Which she is. Varanwë was in her service in Lothlorien.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . and from what we see of her, in LTR....
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . so she is instructing him to follow comet's orders as though she had issued them.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . but I think that to command from afar...that may be too close to the way that Melkor uses his powerful servants.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . what do you suggest, then?
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . And she was so so insistent when she refused the ring.... Why do you need her to tell you to serve Comet? and please, it is just a question.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . ah, ok......when he enters Sylvhara, his loyalty is largely to none but his own agenda. That is to find a way to valinor.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . It's not that what you said was "wrong."
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . I understand...I just left something out. and that was it. So in a way, she is ordering him, but not at the same time, since she is concerned about his descent into self-servitude.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . It sounds like Galadriel took you under her wing, so Varanwe would have a keen mind annd be very wise, I think.
Dominique Darkwatch: Hmmm...I see the point...could it be simply being her advice to so serve Queen Comet as you served Galadriel?
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . yes
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . She did, esentially, and mostly as he is who he is. right, dom.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . the "descent into self servitude"
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . Galadriel tells him of greatness to come for him, but he doesn't quite understand what that means.
Dominique Darkwatch: So just downplay the bit about "orders"
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . That sounds very intersting, but I do not understand what you mean by that.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . yes, to prevent him from turning to darkness.
Cinnamon Raymaker: . following his own agenda
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . yes He was very quick with the blade.
Dominique Darkwatch nods: I can vouch for that
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . and that quickness cost him his life at the hands of the drow matron of Aryador. He was resurrected thereafter. And returns with a few extra talents.
Dominique Darkwatch smiles and nods: with a bit of help from some friends
Varanwe Firehawk smiles at dom.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Is there a risk that he would choose a dark parth?
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . Yes, he could have descended into darkness, Ael. He was that bitter.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Well, I like the fact that there is that side to Varanwe. :) rpwise
Dominique Darkwatch: I do not think he would have....but would have done dark things
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . "could have"? but might he still have that temptation?
Cinnamon Raymaker: . particularly if ressurected and given new talents?
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . nod nod nod
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . Well, here's an example.... He single-handedly entered aryador to assassinate a seawitch. Why? Because she had imprisoned his friend, a fae, and his new beloved. And he knew she had attacked Sylvhara alongside the matron. He saw her there. So he had it in for her. And he went off the deep end when he discovered his beloved imprisoned by her.
Dominique Darkwatch nods: This where Varanwe reminds me much of Feanor
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . That's just an example of how violent he could get.The death and resuttrrection tempered him.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . That is how violent any elf can get. Slower to anger than humans.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . that's not saying much
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . true, Lihan. And when angered...Well, witness the Noldor.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . So, after he kills this seawitch, his life is in danger again. It seems all of Aryador wanted him dead for that one. So he decides he wants to escape for a while to Sharindlar, where a distant cousin has been discovered, who is almost entirely Noldor. I think Varanwe would be a very interesting and engaging rp character if he is still tempted, or grows slowly tempted again over time.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . When Queen Comet gets wind of this, she advises against it, because Sharindlar is a violent place, and she would rather him be someplace trustworthy
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . tempted to violence?
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . to darkness
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . It will be a battle for him, but as he is on the path to paladin, he is now also in the service of the Maia Arien. And he must learn to control his temper in order to progress.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . who?
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . that's just it, the effort of learning to control his temper
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . Arien, the Maia maiden who steers the vessel of the sun.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . We have someone playing that?
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . i don't think so.
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . used to be Sazzifras, I don't know nowadays
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . So Queen Comet sends him to Alqualondë.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . oh yeah. I remember
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . and that brings us up to the present.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . thank you, Varanwe I wonder how Varanwe will feel, meeting Olwe. or Olwe, meeting Varanwe.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . The name of Olwë was ever spoken of in Lothlorien with reverence....and regret.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . it will make for some poignant rp, I think :)
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . yes.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Well, what will we discuss next week?
Dominique Darkwatch: I'm wondering how we can bridge the two worlds for more RP
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . which two worlds?
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . fantasy and Tolkien?
Dominique Darkwatch: Well...yes...or Sylvhara and Alqualonde
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . That is what the Dawning of the 4th Age rp is about
Dominique Darkwatch: Ah...I sort of thought so
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . It is a brave new world with a terrible darkness arising.
Dominique Darkwatch: Ah...yes..I have been following
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . And this time the gentle Teleri are called to serve the will of the Vala. As soon as we find them
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . People keep asking Nienna to get involved; she might be convinced soon
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . yay
Dominique Darkwatch: Well, it is an interesting story and I was just lookng for some sort of entry point
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . Don't expect Nienna to cook. That's what I keep Vanyar for, remember?
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Do they do Windows? Glad I am Teleri.
Varanwe Firehawk: . . . Better yet, do they do Linux? ;)
Lihan Taifun: . . . . . . . . . Last I saw, you were in Ingwe's guest room, wrapped in every blanket he owns, sipping hot soup.
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . it was good soup, too
AelKennyr Rhiano: . . . . Ok...topic for next time? Please, just let me know so I don't make up something on the notices :)
